Metal musicians talk gay marriage : Mustaine proves he’s a c**t and Puciato proves his depth

Greg Puciato of Dillinger Escape Plan being the man in what many metal heads would call ‘a gay/fags shirt’

In all honesty, it kinda sucks that I’ve felt the need to write this. That said, the points raised on either side of the argument are far too important to ignore.  That homophobia exists sickens me. That somebody should be judged as lesser or worse than anyone else based purely on sexual orientation is absurd. Call me madcap, but I try my best, for I know I’m not infallible in any way whatsoever, to judge others based on their character and their deeds not over what sex they prefer. I judge people on their fucks up rather than who they fuck as it were. (How good a turn of phrase was that? Someone print that on a t-shirt)

Like nearly all absurd social human failings, homophobia is based on fear that is propagated by a lack of understanding. Its reasons like this that make me value education, in life as much as academic, so much. Knowledge is certainly power, and with that power we could potentially change the world for the better. Do your best to educate yourselves and others, it really is the only chance we have.

Now to the point, earlier in the week it emerged on the internet that during a radio interview with Megadeth main cunto Dave Mustaine the subject of gay marriage was somehow broached. When asked as to his thoughts on gay marriage Mustaine replied:

“Well, since I’m not gay, the answer to that would be no,”

An absurd response I’m sure most of you would agree.  As if his sexual orientation has, or should have, any kind of sway over anyone else.  When then asked as to whether he would support legalidation of the idea of gay marriage Mustiane gave the following statement, which strikes me as equally absurd:

“I’m Christian,the answer to that would be no.”

I am all for people’s individual beliefs. If someone wants to believe in God and the various practices involved I have no issue with that. So long as they do not intend to, or unintentionally, force those beliefs on others, in particular when they harm the well fare of others. I would try my best not to overtly force my atheistic beliefs on a religious party in the very same way.  But to me, to suggest that your own religion, with whatever warped moral system it endorses, should have some sort of impact on the legal practices of any state is tantamount to that and it thoroughly and completely offends me. I’d even go so far as to suggest it offends me more than the idea of gay marriage offends Dave Mustaine.

Thankfully my anger by this attitude was offset by coming across this wonderful call and response between an anonymous Dillinger Escape Plan fan and the band’s vocalist, and man crush of mine, one Greg Puciato. I’ll not try explain Greg’s view too much, as I’m nowhere near articulate enough to do it justice, but his views pretty much mirror mine. Please read it and take it what you can from it. It’s with this kind of attitude we have a chance to quash social disease like homophobia and go some small way towards fulfilling our potential as human beings.

Not that I’m holding my breath. Anyway, here’s the call and response between Greg and the fan word for word. Enjoy.

 “Anonymous:

Greg, I am a huge fan of your work with Dillinger and a metal fan overall. I am also homosexual. WHOA, right? My question is this – metal fans seem to pride themselves on being outsiders and letting anyone into their fold, yet homophobia is still huge in metal. Why is this exactly? It seems in this day and age especially, this mentality would have dissipated but sadly, it hasn’t. What is your take on this?

Greg Puciato:

“I really think masculinity insecurity issues are the problem, and listening to testosterone charged music and putting on a tough guy front enables the people with those issues to live in a sort of constructed “man suit”, helping them to feel more adequate in their gender/sex role confusion. It masks the fact that they probably need therapy to deal with whatever went wrong in their transition from boyhood to manhood.  Combine that with lack of education and culture, two things that we have a massive problem with in the US, and there you have it. It grosses me out. I think the younger generations are obviously progressing, everything progresses with time, but it’s annoying to wait for the world around you to play catch up when you’re already on that level.  Understanding of homosexuality is one of the largest humanist issues of our time. Well, that and educating people about the evils that organized religion have perpetuated in society. Those two things go hand in hand really. It’s frustrating that the United States leans so much on Christianity politically, a religion that teaches at its fundamental core complete intolerance toward homosexuality. Every time a candidate endorses Christianity or uses it as a tool to get votes of bible belt states, he’s saying “go fuck yourselves” to all of the gay population. The problem needs to be dissolved through different angles. Proper education and culture exposure will catch everyone up, but again, waiting is annoying….and I totally see what you are saying about the comical false masculinity that is unfortunately prevalent in metal and hip hop and country music. It’s not a coincidence that homophobia is most rampant in those three genres, and that those genres are primarily embraced by low income groups, groups that have low exposure to quality education, and almost no exposure to travel or different cultures. Punk and hardcore ethics have always been more refreshing and progressive, however, which is partly why we as a band feel more aligned with those movements than with “metal” as far as mindset. The real movements, not the “check it out I’m wearing a CBGB’s shirt I bought at Nordstroms” mall versions. Sorry I’m rambling…too much caffeine to type this very coherently, but it is something I actually feel fairly passionately about so I’m glad you brought it up. I scroll through most of these but this I felt I needed to say something about. If we ever do a show that I feel is gonna have an overtly high level of homophobes in the audience, I promise to wear a shirt that has a picture of a dude sucking a cock on the front of it or something. Funny how the same people who would act violently offended by that would probably cheer if there were two girls making out or going down on one another onstage. Like I said, fucking insecure babies trapped in man bodies. Masculinity insecurity issues. Hopefully they’ll all have gay kids.

Let me also throw in how proud we are as a band that our fans appear to be accepting and tolerant and progressive as well. Haven’t met a DEP fan ever that didn’t seem like a quality human being. I’m pretty sure that we turn everyone off that isn’t that way. I’d like to at least. Don’t come in here with that shit.

As for you, the person who submitted this question….don’t let that shit get you down. Feeling ostracized may sting at times, but the truth is that you’re a forward person in a primitive time. Moving at a faster speed than others. Being ahead of the pack? That’s called being a leader. Embrace it “

  C.McMillan

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6 thoughts on “Metal musicians talk gay marriage : Mustaine proves he’s a c**t and Puciato proves his depth

  1. Well done. Unfortunately, metal appeals to a mainly male audience…and a lot of those guys are ignorant meat-heads. The ironic thing is that one of the best metal vocalists of all time is brutally gay. I say “brutally” because he is a bad-ass leather daddy. Rob Halford. I suspect there are other, but they are afraid to come out.

    • Thanks man, I can’t help but agree with you. It’s pretty obvious that something as multi-cultural as heavy music has plenty of gay members of the community, whether the’re open about it or not. It’s a shame that most of them feel the need to stay hidden because of the moronic bullshit that makes up so much of the scene.

  2. The irony of all the macho bullshit is the legacy of metal is gay rednecks, bros, nerds, and an inherited SM fashion passed from post WWII gay leather subculture. Its arguably more hetero focused now that the current standard bearers are more bros and renfesty types and less gay bikers.

  3. A lot of the best stuff is very campy: look at Judas Priest in the ripper years, Halford himself said that band doesn’t work with a straight front man. The machoness of it is subverting the camp style, but when you try to remove the camp element, you remove the subversiveness of the machoness, so it goes from stylistic to eye rolling shallow hardcore bro-ness. When its overtly hetero “totally no homo bro” it loses that little extra subversive element that made it unique and is just comical posturing in many cases.

    As a culture its hyper masculine to the point where feminine traits are absorbed into the male performers and ethos of it, women have little place in terms of sound or style. In some ways its not dissimilar to the masculine gay biker culture that provided much of the classic motif. It’s also the only subculture you have much of a chance of finding cute boys with long hair in.

    • There is that as well for sure. I’m not massively well placed to comment on a lot of it though being a heterosexual man I’m aware I’ll never really understand the integration of rock and alternative culture for those who are gay or women. But I think its important to try and be aware of it hence why I wrote this wee thing in the first place.

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